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03-21-2008
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Originally Posted by Maximus  Here's what I know about your kicker. Without elam the mules would have been 4-12. Place kickers don't have the same age factors, we both know that. I also know that keeping him would not be detrimental to signing the younger players. If 2 million is going to break the bank and stop the donkeys from signing their players; there is a serious problem in your front office. | Elam has made a lot of game-winning FGs in his career. However, there's no reason to believe that no other NFL kickers would have been able to make the same kicks he made last year... with the possible exception of the Buffalo game in Week One. And most of them would have been able to kick off, too. The only way one can definitively say that without Elam, the Broncos would have been 4-12 is if one specifies that he wouldn't have been replaced... or can guarantee that his replacement would have missed every time. It's impossible to make that assertion, which leaves "speculation".
I wanted to keep Elam... but not at the pricetag he was demanding. Same with Walker.
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03-21-2008
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Originally Posted by Blueflame Elam has made a lot of game-winning FGs in his career. However, there's no reason to believe that no other NFL kickers would have been able to make the same kicks he made last year... with the possible exception of the Buffalo game in Week One. And most of them would have been able to kick off, too. The only way one can definitively say that without Elam, the Broncos would have been 4-12 is if one specifies that he wouldn't have been replaced... or can guarantee that his replacement would have missed every time. It's impossible to make that assertion, which leaves "speculation".
I wanted to keep Elam... but not at the pricetag he was demanding. Same with Walker. | Uuuuh Huuuh... and would you use the same logic as it pertains to the donkey punting debacle from last season? And why not apply the same logic to CEB???
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Originally Posted by Maximus Uuuuh Huuuh... and would you use the same logic as it pertains to the donkey punting debacle from last season? And why not apply the same logic to CEB??? | Y'know, Sauerbrun always was a pretty good punter....but his off-the-field behavior has given him more than his fair share of problems. Had he not made the personal choice to go out drinking and then get physical with a taxi driver/the police, there would have been no "punting debacle" in Denver last season. That's on Sauerbrun; not on Shanahan, who did the right thing and cut him from the roster.
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Way to try and wiggle around the question. Quote: |
Originally Posted by blueflame there's no reason to believe that no other NFL kickers would have been able to make the same kicks he made last year | Just substitute the logic for CEB... There is no reason to believe that other coaches would not be able to coach the donkeys. Quote: |
Originally Posted by blueflame The only way one can definitively say that without Elam, the Broncos would have been 4-12 is if one specifies that he wouldn't have been replaced... or can guarantee that his replacement would have missed every time. It's impossible to make that assertion, which leaves "speculation". | The same speculation exists where donk fans are concerned with CEB
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03-21-2008
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Originally Posted by Maximus Way to try and wiggle around the question.
Just substitute the logic for CEB... There is no reason to believe that other coaches would not be able to coach the donkeys.
The same speculation exists where donk fans are concerned with CEB | It doesn't matter what I... or any other Broncos fans... think of Shanahan, Max. Pat Bowlen obviously doesn't agree with the bolded statement and that's the end of the story because his opinion is the only one that matters since he's the one signing the checks. I could decide I hated Shanahan and I could rail against him like the fireshanahan guy does. In the end it would accomplish nothing more than useless tilting at windmills.
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03-24-2008
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We'll see how he looks now that he has to kick in the atmosphere.
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03-24-2008
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Originally Posted by RaiderSithLord We'll see how he looks now that he has to kick in the atmosphere. | Seriously, between age and hamstring injuries, his days of kicking 63-yarders are long gone. He is money inside 40 yards, though.
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Honestly, the idea of Janikowski ever being a Bronco scares me... he could probably hti from 80 up there.
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Originally Posted by RaiderSithLord Honestly, the idea of Janikowski ever being a Bronco scares me... he could probably hti from 80 up there. | Janikowski has a very strong leg... he's just inconsistent with the aim. In the thin air, he might break Jason's record, though. From what I hear, Olindo Mare is scheduled to visit Denver. I'd really rather see them take a youngster in the late rounds of the draft.
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Originally Posted by Blueflame Janikowski has a very strong leg... he's just inconsistent with the aim. In the thin air, he might break Jason's record, though. From what I hear, Olindo Mare is scheduled to visit Denver. I'd really rather see them take a youngster in the late rounds of the draft. | MIGHT?!?! That one that doinked off of the upright would have been good from 75.... it was 64 or 65 yards, and it was a good 15 feet above the crossbar...
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03-25-2008
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Originally Posted by FuggenChris MIGHT?!?! That one that doinked off of the upright would have been good from 75.... it was 64 or 65 yards, and it was a good 15 feet above the crossbar... | But it doinked off.... and therefore, wasn't good. Like I said, his aim is inconsistent. 
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03-25-2008
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Originally Posted by Blueflame But it doinked off.... and therefore, wasn't good. Like I said, his aim is inconsistent. | Football is a game of inches.
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Originally Posted by RaiderSithLord Football is a game of inches. | ... and those inches are won or lost "in the trenches"....
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Originally Posted by Blueflame ... and those inches are won or lost "in the trenches".... | Truer words have never been spoken...
which is still my prime concern for the Raiders.
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Originally Posted by RaiderSithLord Truer words have never been spoken...
which is still my prime concern for the Raiders. | ... and mine for the Broncos. O-line performance directly affects QB performance.... and even a marginal QB can look great if his O-line gives him time (see: Damon Huard '06)
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