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Default Fargas vs Jordan vs Rhodes vs Bush vs Mcfadden?

There has been a lot of banter about that tooth pick legged goofball from Arkansas being the greatest runner since grass on a football field. The talk has gotten so out of hand that people have even risked Bolts of lightning from 2 Huge Bo Jackson Fans ( Who just happen to have the powers of Pharaoh’s around here… See the Ten Commandments for further understanding of how Moses was banished to the desert… J/K )

In all seriousness… Justin Fargas is better suited for our blocking scheme. The zone blocking system requires a RB to read his blocks and make a sharp decisive cut where the defensive linemen are most vulnerable. Most of the time that type of move goes against the flow or requires some kind of backside cut. In other words the offensive linemen create the illusion that the play is going outside and the running back allows the play to flow to the outside but makes a cut into a seam where a defensive lineman has vacated. This requires a tough minded and explosive runner who is not prone to stutter stepping or dancing like an elephant at the LOS. Justin Fargas is great at running laterally and then getting square to the LOS. How does he do it??? He has the ability to plant his feet, lower his hips and explode towards the LOS without hesitation. This is why fargas rarely got stopped behind the LOS… Unlike Lamont the dancing elephant!

Jordan had some success in our ZBS but he never really could break the habit of tip toeing through the tulips. On occasion he ran with abandon but not enough for kiffin to allow him to keep the starting job. Jordan has good feet but he makes moves while standing still unlike Fargas, Rhodes and Bush. Rhodes is like fargas with better open field moves and quicker feet. We saw how he could dominate in this offense when he got the chance to play. Not much to say about Rhodes because he needs more touches which brings me to Michael Bush.

The kid has the best feet out of all the RB’s that we’re discussing. This means he makes moves while moving forward and he’s square to the LOS. He will make players miss in the open field and he will punish tacklers. Bush can make all the cuts in the ZBS... This leads me to Darren McFadden…

McFadden has great speed to the outside which will be good for stretch plays… (BTW we don’t run many stretch plays) McFadden has good north south speed. Get him in the open and he could go all the way. However, He does not plant and make decisive cuts. He rounds out his runs unless there is a gaping hole. He can’t plant and cut because he doesn’t lower his hips and get square. McFadden is used to outrunning his opponents to the outside. Because of his running style, he will have many runs where he is stopped behind the LOS. If he rounds out his runs, he allows defenders to react to where he is going. Defensive linemen will be able to shed the block and stone him at the line. The ZBS is designed to exploit over pursuit instantly with hard sharp cuts and downhill running.
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Do we even know what Michael Bush can do? Honestly, I'm surprised Jordan hasn't been cut yet. If they intended to take McFadden wouldn't he have been? Just askin'.....
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U Still Nic Pickin On Mcfadden Why Does Every1 Think M.bush Is Going 2 B Something Special When He Hasn't Played In 2 Years.u Don't Know If He Has The Same Moves Or Cuts Before That Injury. He May Never Be The Same R.b He Was Before Gettin His Leg Snapped In Half If U Ask Me I Think He's Damage Gds But Everybody Thinks He Going 2 B The Next Hall Of Famer Or Something Don't Get Me Wrong It Would B Nice 2 C Him B The Rb That We Saw Before He Got Hurt But That's A Big If And Then 2 Pass On A Player Who Not Only Put Buts In The Seats But Could B A Top 3 Rb In The Nfl 4 The Next 10 Years
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U Still Nic Pickin On Mcfadden Why Does Every1 Think M.bush Is Going 2 B Something Special When He Hasn't Played In 2 Years.u Don't Know If He Has The Same Moves Or Cuts Before That Injury. He May Never Be The Same R.b He Was Before Gettin His Leg Snapped In Half If U Ask Me I Think He's Damage Gds But Everybody Thinks He Going 2 B The Next Hall Of Famer Or Something Don't Get Me Wrong It Would B Nice 2 C Him B The Rb That We Saw Before He Got Hurt But That's A Big If And Then 2 Pass On A Player Who Not Only Put Buts In The Seats But Could B A Top 3 Rb In The Nfl 4 The Next 10 Years
Unless they thought he had some future value, wouldn't he have been cut? Why waste a roster slot if he's never going to be an asset to the team?
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Thats A Gd ? I Believe With Fargus Always Getting Hurt U Have 2 Have A Back Up Plan
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Thats A Gd ? I Believe With Fargus Always Getting Hurt U Have 2 Have A Back Up Plan
... yeah, and you have Dominick Rhodes and Lamont Jordan as insurance against a possible injury to Fargas, so why keep Bush unless the coaches think he'll be able to play later on?
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I Think They Will Try 2 Trade L.jordan But If They Can't Then We Will Release Me Around July When They Let Players Go And D.rhodes Is Going 2 B Our Kick Off Returner Only Thats Why He's Still On The Team He Was Pretty Gd Doing That When He Was With The Colts
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I Think They Will Try 2 Trade L.jordan But If They Can't Then We Will Release Me Around July When They Let Players Go And D.rhodes Is Going 2 B Our Kick Off Returner Only Thats Why He's Still On The Team He Was Pretty Gd Doing That When He Was With The Colts
No team is gonna give up anything of value for Jordan. He sucks.
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Yes He Does But He Will Get Cut Other Wise And His Fat Azz Can Go Anywhere He Wants 2.
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Yes He Does But He Will Get Cut Other Wise And His Fat Azz Can Go Anywhere He Wants 2.
I disagree... his opportunities are slim indeed. If he was cut outright, there would be precious little interest in him.
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I Can Careless If He Gets A Job Or Not As Long As He's Not With The Raiders That's All That Matters
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U Still Nic Pickin On Mcfadden Why Does Every1 Think M.bush Is Going 2 B Something Special When He Hasn't Played In 2 Years.u Don't Know If He Has The Same Moves Or Cuts Before That Injury. He May Never Be The Same R.b He Was Before Gettin His Leg Snapped In Half If U Ask Me I Think He's Damage Gds But Everybody Thinks He Going 2 B The Next Hall Of Famer Or Something Don't Get Me Wrong It Would B Nice 2 C Him B The Rb That We Saw Before He Got Hurt But That's A Big If And Then 2 Pass On A Player Who Not Only Put Buts In The Seats But Could B A Top 3 Rb In The Nfl 4 The Next 10 Years
The answer is simple... Unfortunately you have McFadden burned into your brain instead of looking at what makes an NFL RB you're looking at spectacular runs. Michael Bush has better skills period, So does Fargas.

Refute the Facts one time... you have 5 days to come up with facts based on his skills not statistics!

1. He's a fumbler
2. He can't change direction easily
3. He loops and curves his runs
4. His legs go dead on contact ( Mike Mayock )
5. He carry's the ball in the wrong hand
6. He's one dimensional outside runner

Refute those facts!

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As noted above, I'm kinda surprised that he still is.
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Do we even know what Michael Bush can do? Honestly, I'm surprised Jordan hasn't been cut yet. If they intended to take McFadden wouldn't he have been? Just askin'.....
That's a great question Blue... The same question can be asked about McFailin
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Lol Lol I Want Whats Best 4 The Raiders I Guess The Best R.b In The Draft Is Not Better Than 2 Broken Down Rbs We Have On Our Roster Now Thats Funny.
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